Hello

I am trying to flash my Mazda 5 with file to remove DPF. First i ad Galetto, that did not run on any pc. Then i got MPPS V18, it reads the file, but unable to write the file!

Can anyone please point me at a working system! I need this car out of my garage!

I need the cheapest system to get the modded file onto the ECU!

Pierre3400 wrote:Hello

I am trying to flash my Mazda 5 with file to remove DPF. First i ad Galetto, that did not run on any pc. Then i got MPPS V18, it reads the file, but unable to write the file!

Can anyone please point me at a working system! I need this car out of my garage!

I need the cheapest system to get the modded file onto the ECU!

Sounds like you are having Driver problems rather than tool problems,
what O/S are you running? I use Windows10 (64bit) with Galetto & MPPS without any problem, just needed the correct drivers

wbr

Pierre3400 wrote:Hello

I am trying to flash my Mazda 5 with file to remove DPF. First i ad Galetto, that did not run on any pc. Then i got MPPS V18, it reads the file, but unable to write the file!

Can anyone please point me at a working system! I need this car out of my garage!

I need the cheapest system to get the modded file onto the ECU!

you need to buy proper original tools, i can promise you that you will never have this problem again.

PES wrote:you need to buy proper original tools, i can promise you that you will never have this problem again.

A proper tool costs as much as the car is worth, of in many cases several times as much.
The cheapest proper tool costs TEN times as much as my cheapest car, which was modded previously and I'd like to try to flash an OEM version. Suggesting that anyone makes such a major investment over a TOY is funny.

Most of the pricing for the original tools is workshop-oriented, where I could easily tell you which cars I need interfacing, which is a very tiny subset of the supported cars.

Any of the originals are so expensive that using them on a single car, no matter how many miles, will not yield a return on investment. The originals are unsuitable for hobby use, and I haven't seen a single provider offering anything for the common hobbyists, other than the myriad of chinese cloners.

Sorry if I sound glum.

lyecon wrote:

PES wrote:you need to buy proper original tools, i can promise you that you will never have this problem again.

A proper tool costs as much as the car is worth, of in many cases several times as much.
The cheapest proper tool costs TEN times as much as my cheapest car, which was modded previously and I'd like to try to flash an OEM version. Suggesting that anyone makes such a major investment over a TOY is funny.

Most of the pricing for the original tools is workshop-oriented, where I could easily tell you which cars I need interfacing, which is a very tiny subset of the supported cars.

Any of the originals are so expensive that using them on a single car, no matter how many miles, will not yield a return on investment. The originals are unsuitable for hobby use, and I haven't seen a single provider offering anything for the common hobbyists, other than the myriad of chinese cloners.

Sorry if I sound glum.

I do see your point but I think you've not considered that car manufacturers don't want hobbyists, this is a professional trade not a hobby.
These tools are expensive for a reason, and clone tools dilute this. If we all had clone tools reasearch & development would simply stop.
China just copy original tools and not always correctly, they have not spent millions in development and also don't care.
If you fry your ECU do you really think you'll see any form of help....
With a real tool you get backup and support, also you get a tested product.
If you want to save money you can simply take your car for a reading, most companies these days offer a read/write only option.
Sorry to be harsh but clones put people out of business, if someone was threatining your livelyhood how would you respond,
I think they're being quite polite considuring ;)

wbr

Just to add, there's nothing wrong with hobbyists/low level users getting into this game. But the equipment is costly when used for singular vehicles and so you if you want a hobby that uses garage level equipment, you'll expect to pay what the garage pays.

The only way out of this is clones, which is basically devices using stolen schematics of other tools, generally replicated en-masse with little attention to detail and sold on the cheap. This takes advantage of the 'but my car is so cheap its not worth the tool im plugging into it' brigade but with a much higher risk of failure due to errors in the cloning process or the fact that clones run out of date software that havent fixed known bugs etc...basically if you use clones you're working in an environment where these sorts of problems is just the way of the world, where quality tool owners would get on the back on the developers to release a fix.

To try and offer some kind of help though, is there not someone local who you could buy a beer in exchange for flashing the ecu for you?

I don't generally help clone users but ive had a few in the past ask the favour from me and ive obliged where theyve passed the attitude test (and i always give them a bit of a lecture). lol

Dakta wrote:Just to add,
To try and offer some kind of help though, is there not someone local who you could buy a beer in exchange for flashing the ecu for you?

I like that you help people, no, there isn't anyone willing.
I don't need flashing, first I need to read the damn Bosch ECU, which has annoying bugs, my car is around serial number 4000.
I'm not kidding, my diesel car is among the very first with one engine type.

And it shows on the Bosch EDC. I have studied the EDC15C manual back and forth, and I have a pretty good understanding of the regulating mechanisms, and I will be publishing the list of variables that need to be altered (some are needlessly strict and increase fuel consumption and cause famous BOSCH smoke problem.). The only purpose of some control mechanisms was to "decrease noise". OMG. Yes, the engine is so smooth that many petrol engines give a more wroomy sound.

Then there are the issues of BOSCH slacking at their sensors callibration and other stuff you would not believe (I read another DAMOS described file and I was horrified at some findings!) There are thousands of variables and I listed and read them all, even twice.

Shooting wrote:

lyecon wrote:

PES wrote:you need to buy proper original tools, i can promise you that you will never have this problem again.

A proper tool costs as much as the car is worth, of in many cases several times as much.

Any of the originals are so expensive that using them on a single car, no matter how many miles, will not yield a return on investment. The originals are unsuitable for hobby use,

1) I do see your point but I think you've not considered that car manufacturers don't want hobbyists,
2) These tools are expensive for a reason, and clone tools dilute this.
3) If we all had clone tools reasearch & development would simply stop.
4) If you fry your ECU do you really think you'll see any form of help....
5) With a real tool you get backup and support, also you get a tested product.
6) If you want to save money you can simply take your car for a reading, most companies these days offer a read/write only option.
7) Sorry to be harsh but clones put people out of business,
8) if someone was threatining your livelyhood how would you respond,

Okay, here I go:
1) car manufacturers have nothing to do with it, as they, and BOSCH are complicit in cheating the LAW and the emission tests. True story. My goal is to do it properly.
2) Any tuning artist will buy the original for the online update and support. Thus clones do not dilute anything, they simply tap the untapped market.
3) Bullshit. Just release the mandatory ECU backdoor specification and you will see a lot of innovation!
3) as it is, even the originals are doing something illegal, anyway.
4) ECU isn't an egg, it doesn't work on oil, and doesn't fry.
5) "Tested product", as in "barely legal". I do not need or want support or backup.
5) I haven't seen, for example, complete, exact DAMOS files provided for every ECU, so I consider it as "no support". Unless I get description exactly matching my ECU and the Bosch EDC15C Handbook, I consider it as "no support".
5) I used the WinOLS demo and it was the MOST HORRIBLE, MOST HORRENDOUS software I EVER USED IN MY LIFE, surpassing the WORST OF THE WORST of the ZX81 and ATARI software EVER created. The software altered, changed, overwritten the original viewed file without any warning, just vy the act of viewing it. It is a very distressing and horrendous experience. I've been told it's the best software out there. I tried ECM Titanium and that shit is totally utterly useless.
6) I would still likely paid more for the service than I paid for my car.
7) most likely no, see 8:
8) If I were selling a product at some 20000% gross margin, I would consider myself a rich, fat pig, it's that simple.

I'm an idiot, because my strategy is to provide hardware value in my product design, a user MUST get some of the value of his purchase in component costs, I just won't allow any user to get any less than 20-40% of his purchase value just in the components. That would make my gross margin 250-500%. So WHAT?!

If you want to discuss the internal workings of the German EDC15C manual, I will happily have a look into it to explain.
Other than that, due to the abysmal computing power of the obsolete Siemens CPU, the EDC15C was designed to be a technical failure, as some mightily important parameters are recalculated barely 5 times per second. It screws up the emissions. And from what I saw in the DAMOS, BOSCH didn't even try. Next, from the unreliable, uneven and inexact measurements, some are used as some holy canon by the EDC15C ECU to calculate everything important, even if those exact sensors are provably measuring bullshit with +-20% accuracy at best.

And so on and so forth. If you want research and development, we can talk. That's what I do, without getting "millions".

Maybe things are getting overcomplicated, we're worrying too much about 20000% margins (which don't exist, most companies just break even, cover the costs and a bit on top if we're lucky - we spend money on tools and units and lecky and stuff dont forget)

I would still likely paid more for the service than I paid for my car.

An unfortunate truth, but what can you do? Ultimately rather than being used to form the opinion that tools are overpriced it should perhaps be more to form the opinion that its just uneconomical to work with this vehicle as a sole project for a tool. There's nothing stopping people using tuning for their own interests and in the main I encourage it, but the cost of developing tools are such that to make it viable you need to do a few, it lends itself to businesses but that isn't because of ulterior motives its just the economies of it. You want to program a car that isn't worth a lot? 100% Fine, just bear in mind its an expensive venture as opposed to programming a further few.

what we need to worry about is the fact your tools aren't working, and without knowing the exact error its hard to say why, but a large cause of errors on clones can be put down to the fact they're poor quality copies of a product and thus tend to have a wide range of random problems. Like k-line drivers being completely absent for instance, or resistors of random values used, solder joints that are intermittent at best and software which has been 'patched' badly to force it to work despite being a clone, with an umpteen number of bugs and random checksum calculation errors. So if you post on a board that you use clones and are having issues people aren't far off being right to immediately point the finger, as it's well justified in a massive amount of cases.

I know it's not advice people want to here but it is surpising how 99% of R/W problems go away if you can put some dough in the pocket of the same people who solved these R/W problems.

Whilstever people struggle to come to grips with the fact that you just need to put a bit into toolage, (and I worked a menial job to save up for mine, i've been there) you'll always have a migraine you don't honestly have to have. This isn't a lecture its genuine assistance, because the difference in reliability can be that much.

Bulletpointing everything, what are you 6..... ffs
look, you clearly just want everything on the cheap and it annoys you, we get it.
If you genuinly believe it doesn't take millions to develop these tools then
produce your own! .. it'll take up years of your life and break your wallet and then the
Chinese producers can rip it off... but hey it'll be a good lesson for you.... ;)
I build prototypes and have worked in the industry for years, if it was this simple
I'd be a rich man by now. Seriously, you clearly don't understand R&D because anyone
actually in the industry knows.
And to finish, "FRY" is a industry standard term to define a blown circuit, as defined by Oxford English dictionary.
but of course you already knew this lol .. you seem to miss most points here..

wbr