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Fuel/Air Temperature IQ Limiter

Postby rlees85 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:33 pm

On the Bosch EDC15C2 as you know there are two 'Fuel Temperature' IQ limiter maps as you have in your thread: http://www.ecuedit.com/maps-needed-for-tuning-edc15c2-t294

Are you sure the 'Fuel Limiter' with axis starting at 32c is not actually inlet air temperature limiter??

See the attached pictures:

This one IS the fuel temp limiter.
Fuel Temp 1.png


This one is also a fuel limiter in your document, but is it possible it is actually air temp limiter?
Fuel Temp 2.png


I also have no idea how to tune either of these maps, so am just increasing values in 'best case' (low temperature) scenarios.

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Re: Fuel/Air Temperature IQ Limiter

Postby Relic » Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:15 pm

If one was air temp and one fuel temp the 93 and 102c columns would not be identical.
IMHO.

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Re: Fuel/Air Temperature IQ Limiter

Postby rlees85 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:23 pm

Nice observation. So why does one fuel temp limiter go all the way down to 32C? I guess I need to look up at what temperature Diesel starts becoming unstable. To my knowledge 54C should be fine for flat out but this map seems to disagree

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Re: Fuel/Air Temperature IQ Limiter

Postby Relic » Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:19 pm

Fuel temp and coolant temp will drop to outside air temps if the engine isnt running.
These start to cut at 90c.
Most engines coolant run at 80c normally.

So these are basically saying cut the fueling if the engine starts overheating.

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Re: Fuel/Air Temperature IQ Limiter

Postby ecuedit » Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:43 am

Rlees85 you already got one answer.

Another answer: limiters are limitting things,
what will you do if you want to be sure that you do not want to
hit one..with for example: TL ? ;)

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Re: Fuel/Air Temperature IQ Limiter

Postby rlees85 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:15 am

The obvious answer is to raise the temp limiter clear of the newly defined torque limiter. I just need to know at what temperatures this is safe.

Another thought - could the temperature limiter map starting at 32c be for the coolant ? - in which case I should make sure the values for 32, 54, 64 and 84 are all above the torque limiter (so the TL is the limiting map) and leave values for 93 and 102 completely standard in case of an overheat (making the temperature limiter the limiting map) ?

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Re: Fuel/Air Temperature IQ Limiter

Postby Relic » Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:37 am

Sounds like a plan to me 8-)

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Re: Fuel/Air Temperature IQ Limiter

Postby ecuedit » Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:08 pm

hi,
If you are not sure which axis is what and you are sure for some map axis,
look for marker and than check if marker is the same on another map...
those two limiters have same markers and they are fuel temp limiters for sure.

About increasing the values you already have an answer, look our max torque value,
and make it that you do not hit it...

Avoid last column...
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Re: Fuel/Air Temperature IQ Limiter

Postby rlees85 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:49 pm

Thanks again! I really appreciate the help here ;) it would be impossible to learn this stuff without people willing to teach for free.

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Re: Fuel/Air Temperature IQ Limiter

Postby colgate » Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:46 pm

If engine is overheated should still be restricted so take care with modifications for high temp protect the engine.

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