406 2.0 HDi RHZ project

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406 2.0 HDi RHZ project

Postby Alex.T » Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:21 pm

This is the remap I used on my car for a few weeks because I didn't have time for tuning.
Just like my other remaps, it was intended to be on my car no more than a few days... (heavy testing)

I am now surprised that all these weeks I did about 3000km and the car ran pretty well.
Achievements:
- head to head with a newer Golf 2.0 TDI from 0 to 100km/h on a straight road uphill :D
- I left behind (at least 50m) an Audi A6 2.5 TDI V6 180hp from 0 to 130km/h 8-)
(my 406 had 245000km onboard, audi had 241000km)

I am now bringing this project further.
Any advice is appreciated ;)

PS. I opened another thread because the old one is about a remap not done by me.
That thread should be an example about how bad unknown tuners can be...
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Re: 406 2.0 HDi RHZ project

Postby Alex.T » Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:13 pm

Maps addresses are just like these:
http://www.ecuedit.com/post560#p560

I only edited maps on 7xxxx addresses.

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Re: 406 2.0 HDi RHZ project

Postby Alex.T » Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:01 pm

Here's the Map Pack
It's still in progress because I want to find more than basic things :D
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Re: 406 2.0 HDi RHZ project

Postby ross2482 » Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:17 am

I like your enthusiasm! I have a similar car (2003 406 HDi 110 Estate) which I will be mapping soon.

Looking at your tune you could probably go a lot better around 2000rpm - These can take about 70mm3 at just above 2000rpm I think if you get everything else right, which is about 310NM, above that falling to maybe just a bit more than you have at 4000rpm. You may have to play with the SOI and boost a bit to get smoke down.

Unless you have modified your Injector Duration (hopefully not, I didnt have time to compare to a standard file) then you are not actually running that much more torque than standard, and probably about 130 bhp at 4000rpm, which does call in to question the health of the Golf and Audi you were 'racing' ;)

NIce map pack, thanks for sharing! DO you have PP2000 or anything to monitor the boost \ IQ levels etc? Its a good (if quite basic for logging) tool to have when making a tune.

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Re: 406 2.0 HDi RHZ project

Postby Alex.T » Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:21 am

ross2482 wrote:Looking at your tune you could probably go a lot better around 2000rpm - These can take about 70mm3 at just above 2000rpm I think if you get everything else right, which is about 310NM, above that falling to maybe just a bit more than you have at 4000rpm. You may have to play with the SOI and boost a bit to get smoke down.

First thing I did was to raise IQ where I touhgt it was ok.
Then it smoked. I lowered IQ in certain areas where it smoked badly.
Then I played with SOI and Boost fo a while to get rid of the smoke.
Now I'm playing with Rail Pressure to get it more responsive.. but it's giving me headaches..
After that I'll play with IQ some more, then adjust everything :D
ross2482 wrote:Unless you have modified your Injector Duration (hopefully not, I didnt have time to compare to a standard file) then you are not actually running that much more torque than standard, and probably about 130 bhp at 4000rpm, which does call in to question the health of the Golf and Audi you were 'racing' ;)

Original here: peugeot-406-2-0-hdi-t118
Didn't edit Injection Duration. Just extended it.
The Audi was definetly not healthy because in my mind a 4cyl inline can't beat a V6, both turbodiesel.
The Golf was just like this http://goo.gl/mSjX3. even same colour.
I just searched google and it says it has 140bhp. Maybe golfs don't do well uphill :D don't know..

ross2482 wrote:NIce map pack, thanks for sharing! DO you have PP2000 or anything to monitor the boost \ IQ levels etc? Its a good (if quite basic for logging) tool to have when making a tune.

I have Galletto and Actia interface + Diagbox v5.02. I upgraded from Lexia+PP2000 to Diagbox because it does newer cars.
Sadly PP2000 is slow as s**t :evil: Is it normal? maybe it's only mine...

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Re: 406 2.0 HDi RHZ project

Postby ross2482 » Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:37 pm

What headaches are you getting with the rail pressure?

Nice information on the Diagbox interface - I have found the interface on PP2000 very slow too, although I did use the Lexia for a time on the Peugeot as you can monitor only certain parameters on Lexia and it will speed up the less parameters you show!

I tuned a 110 recently on my old Citroen Xsara, could inject 65mm3 without touching the SOI and only raising boost to 2100mBar and it was fine, so maybe a slight advance in SOI as well as small boost increase should clear up the smoke for 70mm3... I will find out soon enough!

Havent got your file on this computer at the moment - Have you increased rail pressure much in the mid range, or just at the top end? Leaving SOI as stock but increasing rail pressure should advance the EOI (in theory anyway) thus reducing smoke too.

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Re: 406 2.0 HDi RHZ project

Postby Alex.T » Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:06 pm

I raised Rail Pressure on midrange too.
You're right, higher rail pressure will end injection sooner by definition of injection duration map.
Injecting the same amount at the same moment (same SOI) but for less time, would let more time for burning, which in turn reduces smoke.
I'm still testing a lot of things.
That's why this is not a DONE remap.
It's a work in progress so some changes that I made, may not make sense to you at all, because I'm still learning-testing-fixing errors.

For the headaches go to rail-pressure-precontrol-t263

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Re: 406 2.0 HDi RHZ project

Postby Relic » Tue Aug 14, 2012 3:13 pm

How else can we learn properly without experience ;)

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Re: 406 2.0 HDi RHZ project

Postby ross2482 » Tue Aug 14, 2012 4:16 pm

It's ok, I understand its a work in progress :)

We are all learning, even when we think we know it all, there is always something else to learn! (Usually humility... ;) )

I'll go through your file in a bit more detail later. (I've only had a quick look so far!) I'm hoping to put about 74mm3 IQ into mine eventually, but to do this properly I think the axis on a few maps are going to have to be changed (MAF\Smoke, Rail Pressure etc)

Keep up the good work!

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Re: 406 2.0 HDi RHZ project

Postby Alex.T » Tue Aug 14, 2012 5:06 pm

I consider map extension one of the first things to do.
If you put down some milestones (like rp:1500bar boost:2,5bar iq:80mm3) then you are able to extend maps' axes based on that. If you manage to run the car well just by extending axes (without increasing rp, iq or boost) you're half way through it. Because when you will increase things, the ecu will already know what to do. The tricky part is extending, because you extend calibration maps, and you don't know how to calibrate them 'cause you're not on a bench test with a single component, you're calibrating a bunch of stuff for higher revs that should work toghether in varying conditions. The trickiest to remap and extend I think it's SOI :x This particular map is the reason I began starving for a cylinder pressure probe.. I just can't afford it :(

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