Negative and positive numbers in SOI maps

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Re: Negative and positive numbers in SOI maps

Postby Zaccyboy » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:04 pm

zok wrote:With EGR open, less oxygen enters a combustion chamber as if it would with EGR closed. Therefore start of ignition is more delayed as if there would be more oxygen.

On the other hand, air mixed with exhaust gases are warmer as if there was only intake air, so start of ignition is less delayed as if the EGR would be closed.

Anyway, less oxygen also means slower combustion process, so with EGR active, ignition delay is still longer than with EGR closed.

That means you should RETARD SOI with EGR closed.

But becasue an ori file is a very good and optimised compromise of settings for the cleanest emmissions possible, you could still advance SOI a bit in mid-range to get the best efficiency possible (but with more NOx in exhaust and far more work for a catalyst converter) and lower fuel consumption for a bit...

...but because you get start of ignition advanced a bit just by closing the EGR, if the rest of software is left in original state and you have no intention of doing a whole bunch of dyno runs while trying different SOI setups, then a very good option is to leave SOI maps intact.

I know, seems funny. :mrgreen:

But it's not. :geek:

p.s.: you get a lot more NOx also because of a closed EGR.


Thanks Zok why does Major say to advance the timing then?

I thought that I should retard too.

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Re: Negative and positive numbers in SOI maps

Postby Zaccyboy » Tue Jul 29, 2014 7:26 pm

Does anyone know if Citroen use BTDC with a minus (-) number before the degree i.e -2.73 deg

or

is BTDC a positive number i.e 2.73 deg?????

Many thanks

Ian

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Re: Negative and positive numbers in SOI maps

Postby cruise » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:40 pm

I also agree with ZOK, the inert gases result in slower combustion, thus SOI is advanced. EGR Off retard SOI

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Re: Negative and positive numbers in SOI maps

Postby cruise » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:44 pm

I do however question the economy theory that goes with EGR, I can believe it on a low mileage clean engine but on 100k miles + motor, not so sure, I think the EGR has done more harm than good!!

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Re: Negative and positive numbers in SOI maps

Postby Zaccyboy » Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:18 am

Zaccyboy wrote:Does anyone know if Citroen use BTDC with a minus (-) number before the degree i.e -2.73 deg

or

is BTDC a positive number i.e 2.73 deg?????

Many thanks

Ian



Anyone know ?????

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Re: Negative and positive numbers in SOI maps

Postby 2xded » Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:07 am

I could be wrong, but "-" is after TDC, "+" - before top dead center
Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Re: Negative and positive numbers in SOI maps

Postby juice » Sat Sep 27, 2014 10:03 am

zok has the best post here.
By blocking EGR, ignition delay is lower = faster combustion.
Yea, warm mixture will burn faster but because of less oxygen there is still combustion LAG.
Combustion being faster and you advance more SOI(inject earlier) , the combustion process will be too early which can cause pinging.
Well just block EGR, and let advance stock, but as i said in another topics, eliberate extra backpressure between engine and turbo by opening turbo vanes N75 map in EGR zone and lower requested boost until 15 20 mg with 10%(~100 150 mbar)

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