I think that with throttle valve opened 100% and your 17% pulley, your 380cc injectors will not run as rich as you would think thanks to the addtional air.
Dont raise the rpm limiter with 17% pulley as it is already exceeding specification and you will overspin the supercharger and pump gears.

theoretically you're right, but using only so called Throttle map from JCW file for 380cc injectors It is just an illusion, -sorry-, there are so many diff. between R53 and JCW sw, ant that only for 210HP,if old JCW version with 320cc injectors have 200HP.
First of all SiemensEMS200 use a Global Multiplier factor for injectors size.
Fuel maps are different, Timing maps are different ,Throttle maps also diff,Torque management Parameters are diff.
Can't tune this car with bigger injectors without AFR wideband.How can you know how run your car in open loop????How can adjust spark maps, for the max. fuel amount and best AFR on open loop???On closed loop maybe will have a good AFR-but what price??I tell you-with the worst fuel trim can imagine.
JCW maps have also different axis values, because of additional air amount and higher manifold pressure.You must adjust also this axis, because -let's say as example- on Main injection map, R53 have on X axis higher value at 521kg/h of air , on JCW because of additional air amount we have on X axis 578kg/h air.What will do your ECU??this table add % to injetors pulswidth, but don't have values over 521kg/h air,even in reality you have more air-result, will inject the same amount of fuel for 521kg /air,real value 578kg/h air, or maybe more than that.
Even injection enrichment vs Temperature during cranking is different,result, starting car with bigger injectors on cold or hot can be worse.
That's the reason the fuel maps are so importants and so hard to tune right.Without AFR Gauge and a good datalogger , is just an amateur attempt.

adriancl wrote:I think that with throttle valve opened 100% and your 17% pulley, your 380cc injectors will not run as rich as you would think thanks to the addtional air.
Dont raise the rpm limiter with 17% pulley as it is already exceeding specification and you will overspin the supercharger and pump gears.

theoretically you're right, but using only so called Throttle map from JCW file for 380cc injectors It is just an illusion, -sorry-, there are so many diff. between R53 and JCW sw, ant that only for 210HP,if old JCW version with 320cc injectors have 200HP.
First of all SiemensEMS200 use a Global Multiplier factor for injectors size.
Fuel maps are different, Timing maps are different ,Throttle maps also diff,Torque management Parameters are diff.
Can't tune this car with bigger injectors without AFR wideband.How can you know how run your car in open loop????How can adjust spark maps, for the max. fuel amount and best AFR on open loop???On closed loop maybe will have a good AFR-but what price??I tell you-with the worst fuel trim can imagine.
JCW maps have also different axis values, because of additional air amount and higher manifold pressure.You must adjust also this axis, because -let's say as example- on Main injection map, R53 have on X axis higher value at 521kg/h of air , on JCW because of additional air amount we have on X axis 578kg/h air.What will do your ECU??this table add % to injetors pulswidth, but don't have values over 521kg/h air,even in reality you have more air-result, will inject the same amount of fuel for 521kg /air,real value 578kg/h air, or maybe more than that.
Even injection enrichment vs Temperature during cranking is different,result, starting car with bigger injectors on cold or hot can be worse.
That's the reason the fuel maps are so importants and so hard to tune right.Without AFR Gauge and a good datalogger , is just an amateur attempt.

Thanks for the read up, yes your right but taking the basic steps is better than driving the car on standard map isnt it?
Long Fuel trim is also used in closed loop conditions, but only when it is correcting a LEAN A:F whilst in open loop so it is nothing to rely on. Lucky for me as i have only modified the throttle valve in my file, which has caused a positive fuel trim (which still is used at full throttle (for my conditions anyway as i checked in INPA))

I was willing to find other maps in winols however it would not recognise the checksum which is wierd because it recognised EDC16c34 fiesta ford :-(

One thing which keeps confusing me is that galletto has euro 4 and euro 3 mini, All R53 are euro 3 aernt they?
Other options was Cooper S york 170cv EURO4, is this the Cooper R56?
Thanks

Most of R50,R52,R53 are Euro4,found only few R50 One Euro3,all from 2001.
Cars made from june 2004 are face lift model,on R53 Supercharger was changed with a reliable one,teflon coated inside,but of course all Euro4.Face lift for R50 after june 2004 mean old and worst Midland gearbox was replaced with a better Getrag gearbox,Also small improvements on sw for all models,inside and outside small design changes.Base models are R50 One 90HP,R50 Cooper 115HP,R50 JCW 124HP,R53 Cooper S163HP,R53 Cooper S 170HP,JCW 200Hp,JCW 210HP and JCW GP 218HP.All have Siemens EMS2000ECU,R50 have Bosch injectors,R53 have Siemens injectors.All Engines made by Chrysler.
R56 is another generation,new engine from PSA,N/A or turbocharged engines,ECU and sw from Bosch MED17,direct high pressure gasoline injection,cars are Euro5.

boyd wrote:Sorry overlooked the logs. I'm purchasing a bluetooth ELM reader that I'll probably use with Torque.

Both Galleto 1260 and MPPS do better coding,elm327 with Torque will do simple diagnostic features.
http://www.obd365.com/wholesale/gallett ... -chip.html

adriancl wrote:Most of R50,R52,R53 are Euro4,found only few R50 One Euro3,all from 2001.
Cars made from june 2004 are face lift model,on R53 Supercharger was changed with a reliable one,teflon coated inside,but of course all Euro4.Face lift for R50 after june 2004 mean old and worst Midland gearbox was replaced with a better Getrag gearbox,Also small improvements on sw for all models,inside and outside small design changes.Base models are R50 One 90HP,R50 Cooper 115HP,R50 JCW 124HP,R53 Cooper S163HP,R53 Cooper S 170HP,JCW 200Hp,JCW 210HP and JCW GP 218HP.All have Siemens EMS2000ECU,R50 have Bosch injectors,R53 have Siemens injectors.All Engines made by Chrysler.
R56 is another generation,new engine from PSA,N/A or turbocharged engines,ECU and sw from Bosch MED17,direct high pressure gasoline injection,cars are Euro5.

So 163ps (non Teflon coated) is euro 3 and 170ps (Teflon) is euro 4?
Is that right?

No, all R53 are Euro 4.
Only few R50 One are Euro 3.

adriancl wrote:No, all R53 are Euro 4.
Only few R50 One are Euro 3.

Ok thanks. Must be galletto software that is incorrect then. I used Mini Euro 3 as it showed "Cooper S" euro 4 showed "Cooper S 170cv York"

I am looking at what I think is torque limiters at towards the end of the map, there are around 4-6 2d maps is this torque?
Thanks

There is no Torque maps in the true meaning of the word,is not a Bosch Diesel where you can find Torque limiter maps, or Nm to IQ maps.or maps axis with torque value.Also MAF is calculated by ECU according to values from TMAP sensor,don't make the mistake to use the architecture of primitive Bosch sw on Siemens EMS 2K.

adriancl wrote:I think that with throttle valve opened 100% and your 17% pulley, your 380cc injectors will not run as rich as you would think thanks to the addtional air.
Dont raise the rpm limiter with 17% pulley as it is already exceeding specification and you will overspin the supercharger and pump gears.

theoretically you're right, but using only so called Throttle map from JCW file for 380cc injectors It is just an illusion, -sorry-, there are so many diff. between R53 and JCW sw, ant that only for 210HP,if old JCW version with 320cc injectors have 200HP.
First of all SiemensEMS200 use a Global Multiplier factor for injectors size.
Fuel maps are different, Timing maps are different ,Throttle maps also diff,Torque management Parameters are diff.
Can't tune this car with bigger injectors without AFR wideband.How can you know how run your car in open loop????How can adjust spark maps, for the max. fuel amount and best AFR on open loop???On closed loop maybe will have a good AFR-but what price??I tell you-with the worst fuel trim can imagine.
JCW maps have also different axis values, because of additional air amount and higher manifold pressure.You must adjust also this axis, because -let's say as example- on Main injection map, R53 have on X axis higher value at 521kg/h of air , on JCW because of additional air amount we have on X axis 578kg/h air.What will do your ECU??this table add % to injetors pulswidth, but don't have values over 521kg/h air,even in reality you have more air-result, will inject the same amount of fuel for 521kg /air,real value 578kg/h air, or maybe more than that.
Even injection enrichment vs Temperature during cranking is different,result, starting car with bigger injectors on cold or hot can be worse.
That's the reason the fuel maps are so importants and so hard to tune right.Without AFR Gauge and a good datalogger , is just an amateur attempt.

Thank you for the info Adrian. I have ordered the MPPS and I'm just about to order a datalogger. The AFR gauges are very expensive, is there any way to get the AFR readings a different way? Or is there a cheaper gauge I could purchase? What else should I have other than a r/w tool and data logger? Winols to change the values?

Your hw. mod cost are over 800Euro,is not so hard to invest 200Euro for a wide band AFR tool.Need also winols,it's a must have,but most important is knowledge and it cost nothing.
There is not cheap AFR,Innovate and AEM are the best.